gridlore: Doug looking off camera with a grin (Army - Infantry)
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The Army private facing a court-martial for being photographed with naked Iraqi prisoners says she was following orders to create psychological pressure on them.


Folks, on my first day in the United States Army, before my haircut, before my uniform issue, before anything, I and all my fellow proto-soldiers were herded into a theater and given a lecture. The subject of the lecture was "Legal Orders." We covered the concept of a legal order, and what constituted an illegal order. The Geneva Conventions were brought up, along with the UCMJ. They hammered this issue so hard that twenty years later I can still recall the details. The lesson that was highlighted, made crystal clear, to us sloppy civilians trying to be infantrymen, was this:

"I was only following orders" is NOT A DEFENSE!

This lesson was given again and again. During OSUT, some of the trainees were detailed to go score rifle qualifications for some staff officers from Building 4 (post HQ). Some of these officers ordered the brand-new troops to falsify scores. We're talking about career officers dealing with still-new basic trainees. What happened? Several officers were retired. Our guys did the right thing, and reported the illegal order to their chain of command.

Now, we come to the insanity at Abu Ghraib. PFC England claims she was ordered to pose for those pictures, claims it was a pysop. Wrong! It was torture and she had a moral and legal obligation to say no! What if she had been ordered to machinegun children? Would she have shrugged and said "orders are orders"? To a soldier, there is no difference.

We are hearing about breakdowns in command up to the brigade level. To put that in perspective, that means that for PFC English to do what she did required failures at five different levels of command. This passes beyond incompetent and goes directly to malicious. We hear of lack of supervision. Where the hell were the NCOs? We hear about a lack of training. What in the hell is an untrained unit doing in charge of an EPW camp? Now we hear it was our old friends in the CIA and DIA who ordered these pictures taken. Still no excuse. Abu Ghraib is a military facility. It was our responsibility. We dropped the ball.

Frankly, I've never been so ashamed to be a veteran of the United States Army as I was when I saw those pictures. Simply disgusted. I thought about sending my blue cord to Rummy, with a note stating "under your leadership, this has become meaningless."

Our only hope of salvaging anything from this mess is to vigorously prosecute everyone involved in the command and control of that prison, as well as the enlisted people involved in the actual abuses. Careers need to be broken. I don't care if you've got 19 years and 11 months in service. Colonel.. you're gone and so is your pension. Those who performed these abuses need to be jailed, busted to PVT, and given dishonorable discharges. If civilian intelligence agencies were involved, criminal action needs to be taken.

Date: 12 May 2004 11:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dafydd.livejournal.com
We hear about a lack of training.

I especially don't buy this one. They were a Military Police company. Even if they didn't have military-sponsored training, most of them were likely cops in civilian life. That training should have taught them better.

Date: 12 May 2004 11:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jilesa.livejournal.com
*wry smile* In my experience as someone who's had some dealings with police officers in small town West Virginia (where Pvt. Lynnie England is from), and small-town Pennsylvania (where at least one of the other enlisted soldiers is from), I wouldn't lay any bets that being a cop in a small town means one got decent police training. Still doesn't absolve anyone of personal responsibility for following illegal orders, but I wouldn't assume that being a cop in the locations where most of the enlisted personnel being court-martialed are from means any particular education in proper police procedure.

Date: 13 May 2004 17:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyd.livejournal.com
Big city cops don't behave any better. When I was a teenager, I worked in a Burger King where cops hung out just outside of Philadelphia. They would sit around bragging about people they beat up.

Date: 12 May 2004 11:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gridlore.livejournal.com
Running a military facility is a horse of a slightly different color. It does require training. Ask [livejournal.com profile] aurictech about this at Baycon.. he's an interrogator/interpreter.

But even my brief training in handling prisoners made it clear that we, as Americans, treated prisoners well. Even if the enemy didn't return the favor. This is far better psychological warfare than those stupid frat parties.

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