Now this is pathetic.
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gridloreFrom that Grand Central Station of right-wing nuttiness, Conservapaedia, why traditional man-women marriage is allegedly better than same sex marriage.
Let's take these in order, hm? Every single parent I know looked at that squirming small person expelling various foul-substances and demanding food, shelter and a college education, and thought "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing." No one knows how to be a parent. You learn from your own parents and by trial and error. Assuming that just because I'm make I wouldn't know how to handle girls is an insult to every father of daughters on the planet. My mother, who is in fact female, handle my boyness quite well, and knew exactly what I was going to do before I was going to do it. More importantly, she understood when to let me slip the leash and get hurt. Parents are the important thing. I could go on at length on how my father never quite groked either of his sons, let alone his daughter.
The second and third are more of the same misogynistic claptrap. It assumes that a same-sex couple are going to be in idealogical lock-step. Bollocks. I know gay couples where one is domestic and the other is more interested in climbing trees. What brings people together is love. Kirsten is into things I have no interest in at all. Her fascination with the history of Russia in the 12th and 13th century can be described as non-existent. We come from different backgrounds and experiences. Our relationship got started because we both liked Dr. Who, but grew roots because we found that our differences aside, we were happier together than apart. Had we had children, those kids would have benefited from our backgrounds. If I were gay and Kirsten was Ken, it would be the same.
I don't know whether to laugh or scream at the fourth. I'm infertile, have been since chemotherapy. I'm also happily married and we could have adopted, or used donor sperm, to have children. Infertility is not a barrier to being a parent. STDs? Are you kidding? It is a freaking miracle I never got a STD. I was a fucking infantryman! I have slept with prostitutes, had unprotected sex with multiple partners, and engaged in other risky behaviors. I (and the doctors at Stanford Medical Center) are amazed I don't have AIDS. Millions of straight married people live with Herpes Simplex II. This is just more "diseased gays" bullshit.
"The combined experience to deal with others." Because gays live a cloistered existence in their fabulous monasteries. You learn to deal with others by living a life. I have a coworker how got married last year. He's a rather passive person to the point that the other drivers had to physically carry him to the boss' office and hold the door shut to get him to ask for a raise. He won't speak up at meetings unless someone prompts him. He's married, and honestly does not have any experience in dealing with others.
Slavery thrived for thousands of years. Kidnapping women and marrying them by force was a legal way to get a bride for centuries. Vengeance killings were acceptable in western civilization through the 19th century. Times change. And no one is saying that male/female marriage is going away. Just expanding. At the dawn of this nation, marriage was defined as being between a man and a woman of the same race and religion, providing the woman's family approves.
The abuse things? Ridiculous.
Opposite sex partners don't compete? News to me. More tendency to be supportive? Got a cite for that?
Andy Schlafly is a prat.
The advantages of marriage between a man and woman include:
- the combined experience to raise both boys and girls
- enjoyment and interests in complementary aspects of childrearing
- having a partner with different, and complimentary, outlook and concerns
- in the absence of sexually transmitted diseases or infertility, the ability to have children from birth
- having a partner with different domestic interests and abilities
- the combined experience to deal with others
- an institution that has thrived for millennia
- less domestic violence due to very different physical strengths and different reactions to problems
- less tendency for partners to compete, and more tendency for positive reinforcement
Let's take these in order, hm? Every single parent I know looked at that squirming small person expelling various foul-substances and demanding food, shelter and a college education, and thought "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing." No one knows how to be a parent. You learn from your own parents and by trial and error. Assuming that just because I'm make I wouldn't know how to handle girls is an insult to every father of daughters on the planet. My mother, who is in fact female, handle my boyness quite well, and knew exactly what I was going to do before I was going to do it. More importantly, she understood when to let me slip the leash and get hurt. Parents are the important thing. I could go on at length on how my father never quite groked either of his sons, let alone his daughter.
The second and third are more of the same misogynistic claptrap. It assumes that a same-sex couple are going to be in idealogical lock-step. Bollocks. I know gay couples where one is domestic and the other is more interested in climbing trees. What brings people together is love. Kirsten is into things I have no interest in at all. Her fascination with the history of Russia in the 12th and 13th century can be described as non-existent. We come from different backgrounds and experiences. Our relationship got started because we both liked Dr. Who, but grew roots because we found that our differences aside, we were happier together than apart. Had we had children, those kids would have benefited from our backgrounds. If I were gay and Kirsten was Ken, it would be the same.
I don't know whether to laugh or scream at the fourth. I'm infertile, have been since chemotherapy. I'm also happily married and we could have adopted, or used donor sperm, to have children. Infertility is not a barrier to being a parent. STDs? Are you kidding? It is a freaking miracle I never got a STD. I was a fucking infantryman! I have slept with prostitutes, had unprotected sex with multiple partners, and engaged in other risky behaviors. I (and the doctors at Stanford Medical Center) are amazed I don't have AIDS. Millions of straight married people live with Herpes Simplex II. This is just more "diseased gays" bullshit.
"The combined experience to deal with others." Because gays live a cloistered existence in their fabulous monasteries. You learn to deal with others by living a life. I have a coworker how got married last year. He's a rather passive person to the point that the other drivers had to physically carry him to the boss' office and hold the door shut to get him to ask for a raise. He won't speak up at meetings unless someone prompts him. He's married, and honestly does not have any experience in dealing with others.
Slavery thrived for thousands of years. Kidnapping women and marrying them by force was a legal way to get a bride for centuries. Vengeance killings were acceptable in western civilization through the 19th century. Times change. And no one is saying that male/female marriage is going away. Just expanding. At the dawn of this nation, marriage was defined as being between a man and a woman of the same race and religion, providing the woman's family approves.
The abuse things? Ridiculous.
Opposite sex partners don't compete? News to me. More tendency to be supportive? Got a cite for that?
Andy Schlafly is a prat.
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Date: 28 Oct 2010 04:57 (UTC)Those reasons are just disgusting. The abuse thing? So it's better that one partner is so much stronger than the other that the weaker one can't think of hitting? Wait, what?
At least here in Finland one gay member of the parliament seems to have managed to get gay marriage on the next government's action list. We have just something called "union between people of the same sex", which is almost but not quite marriage. It being a real marriage would be brilliant.
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Date: 28 Oct 2010 05:21 (UTC)no subject
Date: 28 Oct 2010 07:22 (UTC)Trobriand Island marriage:
Teenagers have sex all they want until they pick one. Then the girl stays into the morning until someone tells mom. If mom approves, they bring food for the pair. If not, they drag her home. Then, until they die, her dad and then brother grows yams for her husband while her husband grows yams for his sister's husband...
Inpiaq Eskimo Marriage
Teenagers and young adults sleep around until one seems to "fit". They move in with one or the other's relatives until enough people recognize it as a marriage or a kid comes along. Swapping wives makes a co-marriage where the kids are considered siblings. A divorce means one or the other moves out. If either/both remarries, it's just like a co-marriage and the terms are the same for spousal relationships either way.
Australian Aborigine Marriage:
Male: Become an adult after a long, drawn out series of rites that are painful, include adult circumcision, etc. at about 30-35 years old. Be kept away from women until then. Only marry someone who is in the right combination of name-groups, tribes, etc. so 3/4 of the women--even the one's not married--aren't even allowable as wives. Your first wife is often someone's widow and probably older than you... Your wives then tend to get younger as you get older...
Female: Get pledged to a man at birth, usually a guy in his 50's or older. Live at home until 8 or 9. See future husband once a year until then (or he dies, leaving you a widow). At 8 or 9, join old guy and his upto 20 or so other wives.
Don't even get me started about some of the marriage practices of the Masai (hint: wife-swapping is about the least strange part) in Africa or some of the Indian hunter-gatherer groups (hint: they like to marry their step-kids). Their idea of traditional marriage is only in their head.
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Date: 28 Oct 2010 13:01 (UTC)no subject
Date: 28 Oct 2010 13:10 (UTC)I am thrilled when there are parts of our worlds that overlap, It's what helps the bond of a relationship grow stronger, but I'm my own person and he is his. I'm waiting for one day for my dad and I have the discussion where I say "I don't want the church to be offended and give me a marriage license, I just want the government to realize that Fred and I are a couple and deserve to be treated the same in federal levels, taxes, loans, mortgages. Heck Virgina started striking down gay couples joint owning things even if they incorporated to do it completely legally. Talk about State getting involved in matters of business. *sigh*.
What a complete load of BS. and even if we go with the 1 in 10 is gay. as long as 90% of couples have more than 1.1 kids, there's a population increase.
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Date: 28 Oct 2010 14:28 (UTC)no subject
Date: 28 Oct 2010 18:18 (UTC)Although I have to admit I laughed at the mental picture of a group of truckers carrying another into the boss's office and holding the door shut till he asked for a raise!! XD