gridlore: Doug looking off camera with a grin (Ka-boom)
Douglas Berry ([personal profile] gridlore) wrote2010-06-21 08:03 pm
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[identity profile] arib.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
I sometimes wonder how we managed to make it through the latter half of the 20th century without cracking the planet open like an egg

[identity profile] cmdr-zoom.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
As I recently said on another board/post, I don't think we've ever really had that ability. To render ourselves and most other large land animals extinct, sure; but compare our arsenals' peak yield to, say, one good sized volcano. The planet is still much, much bigger than us.

[identity profile] cmdr-zoom.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
"Silly asses." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_Asses)

[identity profile] caerbannogbunny.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 09:15 am (UTC)(link)
Cool way of presenting it. Love the irony that only #2 and #3 were ever used "in anger", even through lots of periods when fighting was occurring.

What would be neat is to have another with the countries currently at war flashing too...

The only winning move is not to play.

[identity profile] dalen-talas.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.introversion.co.uk/defcon/

Re: The only winning move is not to play.

[identity profile] notthebuddha.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
For a minute I thought that was a revival of the old non-game for the Amiga.

Re: The only winning move is not to play.

[identity profile] caerbannogbunny.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, the only winning move is to convince the other side not to play.

One of the most useful things ever to come from nuclear weapons (and nuclear weapon testing) is the persuasion of potential enemies that outright warfare between nuclear powers is so costly as to be "unwinnable". This had/has direct effects like a greater willingness to use diplomatic means to solve problems as well as an indirect "buffering" effect where these same people exert pressure on their partners to avoid direct warfare as well.

The assumption being, of course, that these other people 1) prefer living to death (not so true for some particular religious groups), 2) know you have the means to put bombs on their loved ones (this is where the nuclear tests come from), and 3) are certain you will use them in desperate situations.

Re: The only winning move is not to play.

[identity profile] cmdr-zoom.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
As a plan/solution/strategy, though, it doesn't scale well: as you add more players, the odds go up that one of them will be unstable or short-sighted enough to fire theirs off to (try to) achieve their goals.

Taken to the extreme, like the situation before the apocalypse in the latest edition of Gamma World, imagine if every Something Awful goon, /b/tard, USEnet kook and Facebooker had the Bomb (or its kinetic, memetic, biological, or nanotech equivalent).

Re: The only winning move is not to play.

[identity profile] caerbannogbunny.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly so!

That's where my three points come in and my overall premise that it's not about not playing the game, it's about making the other guy not want to play.

[identity profile] capplor.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I figured that you would like this.

It looks as though the flashes have slowed a bit from their high point in the 60's.

[identity profile] caerbannogbunny.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Nuclear Test Ban Treaty...

[identity profile] melchar.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
So ... let me get this straight: we have a nuclear war where the objective is to nuke ourselves?

Why does this sound like a broken form of Irish stand down? Whoa!