gridlore: Doug looking off camera with a grin (Illuminati)
Douglas Berry ([personal profile] gridlore) wrote2006-04-05 03:30 pm

I'm one driven dude...

Had my interview at Hillpeak this morning. Went extremely well. The usual discussions of the requirements, my qualifications, etc. They were trying to deal with a problem when I arrived, so I had time to sit and observe. While waiting for Gordon (the big boss) to resolve the problem, the other person in the office asked to see if I could find a file on his computer. I thought this meant he was going to tell me the fill name and see if I knew how to use the Search function on Windows. No, he just wanted to see if I could use a mouse and read the screen! Makes me wonder about some of the people applying for jobs around here.

After a while, Gordon and I went driving. Some city streets, some freeway driving, all in the pouring rain. We chatted more about the job. His main concern is that I'm married. This does involve being away from home for weeks at a time. I tried my best to assure that Kiri and I had discussed this, and had handled separation before. They both agreed I be a good fit, so I'm going onto the background check phase tomorrow. Right now, they don't have an immediate opening, but there might be something soon.

But until then, I'm still looking! Have an interview tomorrow for another driving gig, and sent in my resume for this:

Driver

[identity profile] thingunderthest.livejournal.com 2006-04-05 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
OOoh, working for a Gordon. :)

Weeks at a time? Will you be driving out of state then?

[identity profile] gridlore.livejournal.com 2006-04-05 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup. Currently the team is in Las Vegas, and the next contract they were discussing was Washington, D.C.

Just throw me in that briar patch.

I'd be getting $12/hr plus a $110 per diem (for all seven days, not just my work week.) So if I find a cheap place to stay (one with a refrigerator and microwave in the room) and avoid eating out, I can pocket a decent amount of money out of the per diem.

[identity profile] thingunderthest.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent. Per diems can be tight in some places and leave you with a remarkable amount of spare in others. It's amazing how expensive some areas are.

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2006-04-05 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
No, he just wanted to see if I could use a mouse and read the screen! Makes me wonder about some of the people applying for jobs around here.
In my job, they sometimes have me do a "technical interview" with potential candidates to make sure they have at least minimal technical abilities. A few years ago, a candidate who had a glowing resume bragged of his MS Access skills and had showed my then-boss what purported to be a complicated Access database he'd built. I had the guy sit down at my computer and asked him to launch Access so we could go through the paces.

Now, I don't have a plain-vanilla desktop. I usually keep one of a couple of pictures of Sailor Jupiter as my wallpaper, for instance, and there are a lot of icons on the desktop; however, it's not especially wild other than that. There was at that time an Access icon on the desktop. There was also the Office Shortcut Bar (Office 98) along the top of the screen, and you could of course also launch it from the Start menu.

He couldn't do it. He couldn't figure out how to launch the application on which he claimed to be so proficient, even though there were a minimum of three ways, two of which were in plain sight. Wanting to be generous, I thought it was possible that my having anything other than a plain-colored wallpaper confused him, so I launched Access myself and we continued.

He was hopeless. He clearly knew very little about any of the Office applications beyond the most basic of entry-level skills. Now, we don't need (or want to pay for) expert programmers for every one of our engineering positions, but this guy was impossible. We would have had to spend all of our time teaching him basic concepts. We expect all of our incoming engineers to have at least intermediate proficiency with Word, Excel, Access, and PowerPoint. And by golly they'd better understand the Windows interface enough to be able to know how to use the mouse and read the screen!

I ended the interview and was polite while he left, then I went and told my boss that I was downchecking the candidate on the grounds that he couldn't possibly have done the things he claimed to have done on his resume. I later heard that a bunch of the examples he'd submitted had been done by his wife, who did have some skills (but wasn't in the market for the job we were offering). How this guy thought he was going to hold onto the job if he got it was beyond me.

I wonder sometimes when I've shown people my resume if everyone assumes that everyone else is inflating everything they put on it and thus they deduct a certain amount. Since I do not pad my resume -- although I do spin things like chairing a Worldcon in the most positive language I can think of, e.g. "CEO of a $1M international literary conference with a staff of several hundred" -- I probably come up short when anyone who thinks like that.

[identity profile] yohannon.livejournal.com 2006-04-05 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, tell me he did NOT bring up your marital status as a concern. That's a BIG no-no, as in HR going pale white and passing out, coming to, and THEN screaming at the interviewing manager for several days while calling the company attorney on speed dial.

(shakes head)

Ah well, good luck anyhow!

~Y~

[identity profile] gridlore.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
His concern was the effect the job would have on my marriage. Yeah, it crossed the line, but I understood his concern. From what I understand, they've had people flake out several times because of relationships.

[identity profile] yohannon.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's cool as long as it doesn't factor into the hiring decision -- though the reason HR types don't like that sort of discussion during the interview is that it opens the door to the POSSIBILITY that was why you didn't get a particular job.

So sure, 10 points for being human, minus 100 for giving a trial lawyer something to drool about.

:P~

~Y~

[identity profile] bunnybutt.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Gotta back Yo, here (you go, Yo!).

It's not just not ok, it's possibly actionable. They're *not allowed to ask about your marital status*. Or your age. Or whether you have kids. Among other things. Bummer that they've had people flake because relationships took top priority, but that's not an excuse.

If you get the job? Suggest they do the research and stop exposing themselves to possible liability.

If you don't get the job? You can legitimately file a grievance just because they asked. Might not be worth the time or trouble, but you could.

[identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Keeping my fingers crossed for you.