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Douglas Berry ([personal profile] gridlore) wrote2004-05-25 11:07 am

[identity profile] nsingman.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
This is very reminiscent of the Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/index.jsp).
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[identity profile] twfarlan.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is essentially the plan of the Free State Movement, painted over with a rather vile veneer of historically-inaccurate Crosstianity. The Founders weren't Christian, didn't consider this a Christian nation, and wouldn't support this noise they're spouting.

I am, however, perfectly content with giving them a state in which to live... and then building large walls around it, sealing it off completely and never hearing from them again.

[identity profile] janetmiles.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd respectfully suggest that doors would be necessary -- some in each generation would want to leave. And some in each generation on the outside would want to enter.
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[identity profile] twfarlan.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
No doors. Too easily exploited. Those who want to get out could leave only if they could prove they were the only ones left. For those who want in, a simple solution: catapults.
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2004-05-25 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't agree with that, they may have gay children who will need to get out or die or be tortured and driven insane.
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[identity profile] twfarlan.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see how to do anything about that short of sending in careworkers to screen for homosexuality and escort the unfortunates out. These people want to be able to live apart from the rest of us. If that includes stoning their own children, I say let them. If they worship a truly loving God, let him manage their illness. If, on the other hand, they worship the god I think they do, a bloodthirsty war god, then he'll be quite happy with them for going back to a simpler time when women knew to shut up and get back into the kitchen, when children were seen and not heard unless they were being slapped around for touching themselves, and when good God-fearing people cleansed their communities of Satan and anything different by the healing touch of sharpened rocks thrown as hard as humanly possible. (/sarcasm)

Honestly, I'd find great pleasure in hearing that they'd failed utterly in trying to keep their theocratic haven running, were dying by the score, and were begging to be allowed back into civilization, only to be turned away and reminded that they had asked for this. But then, I'm probably more bloodthirsty than most people.
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2004-05-25 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
No shit. Anyone who could wish that on children just to get back at the parents...

Oh, wait, I remember you--I took you off my friendslist after the last such remark I heard from you, nevermind.
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[identity profile] twfarlan.livejournal.com 2004-05-26 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed, I remember you from the whole refusal to get a c-section flap a few months back. Now you're worried about someone's kids?

I take it you would deny a group the right to self-governance in the name of the old tried and true battle cry, "Won't someone think of the children?!?" delivered at the highest volume a bleeding heart can produce. I worry greatly about your opinion, then, truly I do, about as much as I fear that Jerry Falwell is right to blame 9-11 on the gays, pagans, and general distancing of America from his brand of Crosstianity.

[identity profile] biomekanic.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The federal government is considering whether marriage, the foundation of civilization since Creation, should be reserved solely to a man and a woman.

You know, from the tone, I'm not sure if they're for or against it. I mean, after all, historically speaking, marriage was usually between a man and his wives/concubines.

Hey, if it means getting them out of here, I'll chip in a few bucks. I hear Bikini Atoll has some lovely weather.

[identity profile] robertprior.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
And for the first few centuries of Christianity, marriage was a civil matter, rather than a religious one. I'm always amazed at how little history people like this actually know.

[identity profile] biomekanic.livejournal.com 2004-05-26 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
Facts just confuse things.
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[personal profile] mdlbear 2004-05-25 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I suggest Alaska -- it's nicely isolated from the rest of the country, and big enough so that they can all move there. Then we can sell it back to Russia and be rid of 'em.

[identity profile] firestrike.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I seem to remember a fairly long debate about whether states were allowed to leave the union. It was bitterly argued, but the pro-secession side lost the debate. I really don't think we want to do that again.

Besides, it would give Bush an excuse to 'temporarily' suspend the election for the 'duration of the emergency.'

-M

[identity profile] hlw.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Mind if I steal the userpic???

[identity profile] gridlore.livejournal.com 2004-05-25 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Go ahead.