gridlore: Doug looking off camera with a grin (M-16)
Douglas Berry ([personal profile] gridlore) wrote2002-11-15 07:30 am

Time to start preparing

The Homeland Security Act is the scariest thing to come down the pike in the United States in a very, very long time. You can read about it here.

What can we do? Write your Congress-critters. Do not email them. Email gets ignored. Whip out the word processors and put your words on paper. Calling them also gets registered.

If it does pass, use cash whenever possible. Especially when you buy ammo for the weapons we should all own before the 2004 election season. The Second Amendment is the reset switch on the U.S. Constitution.

Though it's not the primary reason...

[identity profile] the-ogre.livejournal.com 2002-11-15 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
...that I'm buying one of these (http://www.smith-wesson.com/templates/large.cfm?stdImage=629CL_163638.jpg&model=629%20Classic) from a coworker, it definitely makes me a bit happier that I've decided to get back into shooting now, instead of waiting some more.

Re: Though it's not the primary reason...

[identity profile] todkaninchen.livejournal.com 2002-11-15 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
But can you get it in a "LS" model?

Sorry...

Why not just get a nice carbine or rifle and skip the wrist trauma?

*smirk*

Re: Though it's not the primary reason...

[identity profile] firestrike.livejournal.com 2002-11-16 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Because...

As a pistol, it's slightly more portable/concealable. (Yes, you can put a carbine under the driver's seat, but it takes too long to get it out to do any good.)

Long arms draw more attention.

Even in these times of uncertainty & paranoia, a handgun is not sufficient reason to call out the SWAT team, whereas a rifle may be, especially if the idiot reporting it can't tell a Winchester '73 from an AUG.

Lastly, if you get it with a nickle finish, you can use it as a signal mirror if you get lost

Re: Though it's not the primary reason...

[identity profile] todkaninchen.livejournal.com 2002-11-16 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Lastly, if you get it with a nickle finish, you can use it as a signal mirror if you get lost

*smirk*

Good one.

My only quible is, when you need a gun and have a choice, there's nothing like a rifle or carbine.

(OK, the new Mk 46 Mod 0 looks nifty, but it's not something a civilian can get.)

And, if you don't need a gun, why waste the energy hauling around a hog leg like that?

I mean, if you live in bear country or PCP is the local drug of choice...

Then again, this looks vaguely appealing in a non-sniper-looking/non-assault rifle looking way:

Image

Hmmm... Needs an intermediate eye-relief scope on a Picatinny rail where the rear sight is, and a protected ghost ring rear...

...and maybe a ported barrel.

Re: Though it's not the primary reason...

[identity profile] the-ogre.livejournal.com 2002-11-17 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"Why not just get a nice carbine or rifle and skip the wrist trauma?"

Um.. 'cuz I like like big, macho revolvers. And I've got pretty freakin' strong wrists.

And this particular 629 has a very nice pistol scope currently mounted. And I'm gettin a fantastic deal for it.

Re: Though it's not the primary reason...

[identity profile] todkaninchen.livejournal.com 2002-11-17 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Still...

From a capabilities point-of-view...

Unless you have only one hand, need to conceal it, can not end up facing targets beyond about 10m, or require both hands before or after use...

...Why risk it?

For target shooting or hunting non-dangerous game or as back-up weapon while hunting dangerous game), I can understand.

For anything else...

*shrug*

I like to err on the side of caution, saving my meager good karma for what I can't control...

*grin*

Although...

If you decide to go for a hand cannon anyway and can get a good price for it, go for it.

From a capabilities point-of-view...

[identity profile] firestrike.livejournal.com 2002-11-17 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I prefer a grenade launcher.

Granted, it doesn't have the range of a good rifle. But if a sniper is out to get me, I'm probably dead anyway. For point-blank to medium range situations, it's versatile & effective.

As far as the usefulness of a pistol:

1. Ignoring conventional combat situations, most shootings occur within 10m anyway.

2. In the case of this particular weapon, if you're empty and desperate, you can throw it at your opponent. If it hits him, he's probably out of action.

3. It makes a great paperweight.

Seriously, the main reason to carry a sidearm is for situations where you need concealed carry capability, to keep a hand free for other activities, or when you're going to be working at short range or in an enclosed space.

-M

Re: From a capabilities point-of-view...

[identity profile] the-ogre.livejournal.com 2002-11-17 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I am getting it for target shooting. I certainly won't be packing this thing anywhere, nor do I expect to use it for "home defense" - that's what riot batons are for.

I am buying it, and the scope and cool-looing but uncomfotable grips will come off as soon as I get it home. Once I get comfortable with it at pistol distances, I'll probably reattache the scope and see what it's like at long-gun distances.

Re: From a capabilities point-of-view...

[identity profile] todkaninchen.livejournal.com 2002-11-17 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That last bit sounded famliar...

*smirk*