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[Regarding homosexual members of a church youth group]
I just wish it was that simple. These kids aren't doing anything wrong besides being homosexual...they aren't inappropriate or crass, and know not to show unusual affection toward the members of their own gender. The problem is just that they're happy, as bad as that sounds, and by everyone in our group seeing that their sin hasn't caused them any pain or guilt...I dunno. We try to illustrate to them and everyone else how God sees them (almost every week now), but it doesn't stop them from being as popular as they are. They're exuberant and extremely content in their lifestyle, and I'm really worried that it's going to rub off on the other children.
I strongly believe that Satan has found a great ally in homosexual children. I'm completely lost as to what to do.
This isn't a Poe, or if he is, he's one of the most determined ones I've ever seen. This person is actually upset because the gay kids in his church's youth group are happy, confident, and popular. He'd prefer that they be guilt-ridden and miserable.Because obviously being around homosexuals who aren't two steps from suicide will corrupt the other little darlings.
Damn right it will. The other kids are growing up knowing that "the gay" isn't a disease, and that homosexuals are people like themselves. Friends, family, and yes, fellow members of the church. These kids are going to reject the intolerance, and hopefully in time the intolerant religion that spawned it. Bigotry can only exist in darkness. Expose people to the light of other cultures, other people, other ways of thinking and it melts.
I just wish it was that simple. These kids aren't doing anything wrong besides being homosexual...they aren't inappropriate or crass, and know not to show unusual affection toward the members of their own gender. The problem is just that they're happy, as bad as that sounds, and by everyone in our group seeing that their sin hasn't caused them any pain or guilt...I dunno. We try to illustrate to them and everyone else how God sees them (almost every week now), but it doesn't stop them from being as popular as they are. They're exuberant and extremely content in their lifestyle, and I'm really worried that it's going to rub off on the other children.
I strongly believe that Satan has found a great ally in homosexual children. I'm completely lost as to what to do.
This isn't a Poe, or if he is, he's one of the most determined ones I've ever seen. This person is actually upset because the gay kids in his church's youth group are happy, confident, and popular. He'd prefer that they be guilt-ridden and miserable.Because obviously being around homosexuals who aren't two steps from suicide will corrupt the other little darlings.
Damn right it will. The other kids are growing up knowing that "the gay" isn't a disease, and that homosexuals are people like themselves. Friends, family, and yes, fellow members of the church. These kids are going to reject the intolerance, and hopefully in time the intolerant religion that spawned it. Bigotry can only exist in darkness. Expose people to the light of other cultures, other people, other ways of thinking and it melts.
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They really do. What's a Poe?
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If you add the fact--in the Christian religion--the selling point is one where Jesus-God's motive is saving people from pain.
So, it's hard to exert social control (using guilt/peer pressure) over a personal behavior (acting on homosexual interest/motivation) in a manner preventing emotional pain (Yes, guilt and peer-induced pain goes here as well as personally induced anxiety) when the target person isn't in pain!
No consequences to avoid equals no means of control equals confusion.
Other religions with the "vengeful" god who isn't interested in "relief" only compliance wouldn't have the problem... But that's a harder sell in a semi-humanist modern American culture...
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The Old Testanent verses often cited are either about something else entirely (Sodom & Gommorah) or special cases (the wearing women's clothing & laying with a man ones are about ceremonial practices of a competing religion). And the more quoted ones are in the midst of a bunch of other rules that he'd not even *consider* following.
The only NT verses are from St. Paul who is very much *not* God.
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